General Education Committee Minutes 1/31/05

 

Members Present: J. Eglin, S. Greymorning, K. Hill, S. Kalm, D. Pletscher, G. Smith, R. Welsh

Members Absent/Excused: T. Manuel, S. Miller, A. Walker-Andrews

 

Ex-Officio Present: L. Carlyon

Chair Eglin called the meeting to order at 3:10 PM.

 

The approval of the minutes was postponed.

Communication:

 

§    Chair Eglin thanked Dan Pletscher for moving his class to accommodate the meeting time, especially considering he will now be on campus until 6 PM on Mondays.

§    Chair Eglin received a concern over the pending changes from the Regents.  It seems that a critical factor for consideration is a moving target.  He will be meeting with ECOS this Thursday to evaluate the committee’s charge and discuss modifications that would then go to the Senate.

 

Discussion Items:  

 

§    Chair Eglin asked whether there are aspects of UM’s general education program that do not fit with the Regents core requirement.  The fact that the transferable core is not specifically defined is problematic.  At UM not all social or natural science courses meet general education requirements.

It is agreed that there needs to be some standard.  The learning outcomes are not overly specific.  This could be an area where UM could take the lead.  The committee must consider the political reality which mandates a system of interchangeable units.  Part of the issue is that if students don’t meet the entire core, their general education courses are evaluated individually.  If an in-state student is missing one course from the core at one campus they should be missing one course short at another campus within the Montana University System.

It was noted that students transfering from institutions outside of Montana expect that some courses with not transfer.

One possibility is to have two levels of general education: the general program and the deluxe program which outlines specific courses.   The Provost favors a lower-division and upper-division requirement.  Currently the only upper-division aspects of the program are the writing profeciency assessment and the upper-division writing requirement.
The problem is that there are upper and lower division courses in all the perspectives.  The core policy seems to create an incentive for students to complete their general education in their first two years.  This is problematic in some of the professional programs and sciences because of the foundation and prerequisite courses required with the major.  Often students are taking general education courses in the junior year, when their schedule has more room.
 
When students take general education courses is less important that what they learn from the program.  This makes the preamble important.

The meeting was adjourned.